Comments on: Inside the “Vaccine Court”

By: Ross Coe

Ross Coe — Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:11:32 +0000

The ultimate dichotomy. Two sides lining up their armies, both believing God is on their side (or the new god, medical science). A court ruling although inspiring and important cannot be used as a basis for declaring victory, and neither can science. Much is not understood. This dichotomy creates a dilemma of uncooperation, truth is sacrificed by the need to win. Surely as vaccines are known to have side effects, some side effects are less known. Vaccine experts have conceded they don’t know how human immune systems work. Then how do they gauge a vaccine’s effect? How can they, with any certainty state they are completely and utterly sure vaccines don’t cause autism? They don’t know, thats the truth. They are protecting their reputations and their profit-making products, they are not making sound judgments based on science, because the ultimate science of vaccine related side-effects does not yet exist. Our dichotomy is at present, precluding the true search for that knowledge.

By: ROSS COE

ROSS COE — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:24:00 +0000

With autism once being 1, or 2 per 10,000, but in some areas of the world, has now reached 1, in 150, even 1, in 67, vaccination seems the only common denominator. It would be probable for a statitician to explore the spread of vaccines in any or all parts of the world, and then the spread of autism. I once read a story about the spread of sugar and then the rise in diabetes. You don’t hear much about that today either, sugar producers, like vaccine producers have likely lobbied against releasing info that would harm their bottom line. Its all TOBACCO SCIENCE, who cares about harming people when their is money to be made. Its THE AMERICAN WAY!

By: Randy Crawford

Randy Crawford — Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:54:30 +0000

Autism is indeed proffered somewhat cavalierly these days. Doctors used to take tonsils out all the time because it was the accepted fad of the day. It also provided for a tidy income, and generally made no difference one way or the other. So, who’s to know as long as the doctors’ bank accounts benefitted? Autism is high on the current fad list, and it makes tidy sums for those who diagnose it in order to enable more money to be made when it is later treated. As Daniel Boone observed: as soon as lawyeers started settling the frontier, the rate of lawsuits being filed tended to rise rather dramatically. And, as I demonstrated above, attributing autism to vaccines is about as dubious a situation.

By: Marilyn Abdilla

Marilyn Abdilla — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:30:23 +0000

Gee..Randy Crawford can think all he wants to about the love of vaccines..sounds more like science fiction. Getting back to this issue of vaccines..PROMETHEUS say’s “Knowing that mercury can cause brain injury is not the same as showing it can cause autism”. So a parent takes their toddler to a recommended doctor to be diagnosed by visual testing and the word ‘autism’ mild to severe is the opinion of the doctor. The word autism stays with the child under the umbrella of mental disorders. To be labled with autism with no ‘real tests’, just visual, seems to be a guess instead of What is wrong and What caused it. If testing shows that the mercury is high and measles virus very high..is that autism? Not every parent has the financial means or health insurance to have many doctors look at the child or even test the child for various hidden problems that may be the cause or combined cause with vaccines. I feel autism is a misused word among doctors and the health agencies of the government.
Also, why did they (DHHS) not state WHAT vaccines ‘activated’ the Poling girl’s underling problem causing autism. I am not saying the vaccines did not contribute to her problem..just that the DHHS made a decision without explaining how they got to this result.
I still have thoughts as to why the DHHS said they were going to withdraw the 2 key reports from the case. Wonder what the reports had to say?? HMMMMM

By: Randy Crawford

Randy Crawford — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:56:32 +0000

MMR NOT ONLY SAFE, IT ALSO HELPS REMEDIATE AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE

from – Randy Crawford 3701 Second St. #10 Coralville, Iowa 52241 (319)400-2837
randycrawford52241@hotmail.com rancrawfo@hotmail.com

The federal vaccine court is to be congratulated for ruling Feb. 12, 2009 MMR does NOT cause autism and other diseases. I have been using dozens and dozens of repeated doses of MMR for years, because it is the only thing that will alleviate my autoimmune disease processes. I know from direct experience that MMR is completely safe and free from side effects. It is effective to alleviate autoimmune disease, and works best when injected every day for weeks at a time. MMR works even better when given with other live virus vaccines like varicella and yellow fever. The stories that mercury combines with MMR in some weird way is also demonstrably false, because when I took a dozen tetanus-diptheria shots with thimerosal the same days I got MMR, there were no side effects either. When kids get sick about the time of getting a vaccine, it’s only an event that would have happened anyway and had nothing to do with the shot– like with a million people watching TV today some will have heart attacks next week, but the heart attacks would have happened anyway and had nothing to do with watching TV the week beforehand. Now that the courts have ruled intelligently, doctors don’t have to be paranoid about using MMR and they can help more people with multiple MMR injections. And that’s good for people who need relief from autoimmune disease. MMR works against autoimmune disease by acting as an immunodistractant to down-modulate eosinophils, neutrophils, lymphocytes, and other leukocytes.

By: Birgit Calhoun

Birgit Calhoun — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:33:39 +0000

I read a lot of hot air in these comments. Is mercury poisonous or not? If the answer is yes, then the only question is: How much does it take to poison? And in actuality it doesn’t really matter what type of mercury we are talking about. Another question: Has Thimerosal ever been tested by acceptable standards? I know the answer for that one. Thimerosal has never gone through any acceptable drug trials. Thimerosal was grandfathered in. So much for the credibility of any studies that prove or disprove Thimerosal’s toxicity. All studies mentioned in these comments are epidemiological; I have read them all. So far I have not seen a single, unbiased, study that proves that Thimerosal is harmless. Want of evidence does not mean that there might not be evidence. It only means it has not been found.

My last comment is. Let’s hear about all those studies that prove Thimerosal is harmless. It is unethical to test a known toxin on children. There are studies showing that Thimerosal is toxic. That’s why Thimerosal was taken out of animal vaccines a long time ago. And one more, why use Thimerosal when there are so many people wasting so much time talking about this subject who could instead use this time to invent a preservative that does not contain mercury.

Science does matter, and I hope the three special masters are up to the task of finding justice for those unfortunate autistic chidren and not beholden to pharma.

By: Lynn

Lynn — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:03:07 +0000

No scientific proof.”MMR” “Ecephalitis” Is in the injury table as a possible side affect from the vaccine.What is autism? My child was diagnosed with it after his MMR. All of his symptoms are right there under aids to interpretation for the vaccine injury table under encephalitis but the docters call it autism is that a fancy name to get away from having to aknowledge that they have been harmed by the vaccines.

By: Gregg

Gregg — Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:01:58 +0000

Kev, provide evidence from the Omnibus documentation to back up this second statement of yours. Otherwiswe you have no credibilty.

“John, you can wriggle around the issues as much as you like. I’m simply asking you to back up the statements you presented as facts with evidence.”

“The Petitioners in the Autism Omnibus hearings seemingly withdrew four of its highest profile experts to support the various claims that say that vaccines cause autism. The experts are James B Adams, Mark Robin Geier, Boyd E Haley and Andrew J Wakefield.”

By: John Stone

John Stone — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:05:19 +0000

Kev

All the evasion is yours. You cannot get round the fact – misrepresented also by this article – that the US government conceded in the Poling case. To argue that it didn’t happen because the word “concede” was first used by a member of the petitioner’s legal team is just a pathetic smoke-screen.

By: Kev

Kev — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:10:16 +0000

John, you can wriggle around the issues as much as you like. I’m simply asking you to back up the statements you presented as facts with evidence. You can’t. Thats fine, but a more realistic person would start to think that maybe they had certain things wrong.

Whatever. I’m bored of coming back to this thread to find more prevaracation and avoidance. When you can answer the questions I put to you, please drop me an email.