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	<title>Comments on: Phoenix lander goes quiet as India shoots the Moon</title>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceline.org/2008/11/13/blog-hadhazy-phoenix-mars-lander-chandrayaan-satellite/comment-page-1/#comment-2433</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is some more about NASA&#039;s instruments on Chandrayaan:

&quot; ...NASA has spent about $100 million for development and fabrication of the instruments, officials said....&quot;

READ at:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6073509.html

This is actually more than what we Indians have spent on the whole mission. Goes on to show the resourcefullness of Indians, yet also shows that Americans too worked their butts off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is some more about NASA&#8217;s instruments on Chandrayaan:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8230;NASA has spent about $100 million for development and fabrication of the instruments, officials said&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>READ at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6073509.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/6073509.html</a></p>
<p>This is actually more than what we Indians have spent on the whole mission. Goes on to show the resourcefullness of Indians, yet also shows that Americans too worked their butts off.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is NASA help:

&quot;....The ISRO – NASA partnership allows ISRO to utilise three deep space complexes, in California, Spain, and Australia, to receive scientific data 24x7 from Chandrayaan-1, at no additional cost. Reports suggest that NASA usually charges around $25,000 an hour for receiving data from space missions not carrying its instruments.....&quot; 

Read more at: http://www.domain-b.com/aero/space/spacemissions/20081022_nasa.html

The ESA&#039;s contribution I mentioned that above. Its at ESA&#039;s website at.

http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMJD85KXMF_index_0.html
Go to the end and READ.

And for Chakravarty who thinks I am Adam, this is surprising as I thought he was a chinese agent who wants to provoke the Americans and Europeans into not collaborating with Indians in Space. Chinese are hell bent breaking any such partnership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is NASA help:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.The ISRO – NASA partnership allows ISRO to utilise three deep space complexes, in California, Spain, and Australia, to receive scientific data 24&#215;7 from Chandrayaan-1, at no additional cost. Reports suggest that NASA usually charges around $25,000 an hour for receiving data from space missions not carrying its instruments&#8230;..&#8221; </p>
<p>Read more at: <a href="http://www.domain-b.com/aero/space/spacemissions/20081022_nasa.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.domain-b.com/aero/space/spacemissions/20081022_nasa.html</a></p>
<p>The ESA&#8217;s contribution I mentioned that above. Its at ESA&#8217;s website at.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMJD85KXMF_index_0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMJD85KXMF_index_0.html</a><br />
Go to the end and READ.</p>
<p>And for Chakravarty who thinks I am Adam, this is surprising as I thought he was a chinese agent who wants to provoke the Americans and Europeans into not collaborating with Indians in Space. Chinese are hell bent breaking any such partnership.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceline.org/2008/11/13/blog-hadhazy-phoenix-mars-lander-chandrayaan-satellite/comment-page-1/#comment-2431</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all the spiteful and hateful indians out there, today we are all so economically and politically intertwined that it is fool hardy to let our petty egos come in way.

Yes it is the same Americans and Europeans who imposed sanctions when we tested our nukes. But they are the same people that promoted free trade that allowed IT jobs being outsourced to us in India. They are the same people who bring in much needed foreign investement into india. They are the same people that allow companies like TATA, Reliances, Mittals etc to buy their companies for economic prosperity.

My fellow foolish Indians buring in rage with your teeny tiny egos will make you be more like Raj Thackereys and Mayawatis of this world. This slippery slope of identity politics and self serving ego boosts will only end up tearing us up internally.  

Grow up. We are 6 billion people living in this tiny speck of dust called earth. We have to live on this earth together. 

This mission to moon by indians is indeed a great mission by us. Yet lets also acknowledge those who also played a role in helping us get there. And also do remember they also did it before us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all the spiteful and hateful indians out there, today we are all so economically and politically intertwined that it is fool hardy to let our petty egos come in way.</p>
<p>Yes it is the same Americans and Europeans who imposed sanctions when we tested our nukes. But they are the same people that promoted free trade that allowed IT jobs being outsourced to us in India. They are the same people who bring in much needed foreign investement into india. They are the same people that allow companies like TATA, Reliances, Mittals etc to buy their companies for economic prosperity.</p>
<p>My fellow foolish Indians buring in rage with your teeny tiny egos will make you be more like Raj Thackereys and Mayawatis of this world. This slippery slope of identity politics and self serving ego boosts will only end up tearing us up internally.  </p>
<p>Grow up. We are 6 billion people living in this tiny speck of dust called earth. We have to live on this earth together. </p>
<p>This mission to moon by indians is indeed a great mission by us. Yet lets also acknowledge those who also played a role in helping us get there. And also do remember they also did it before us.</p>
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		<title>By: Rgz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rgz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Hey author, don&#039;t think that these hostile comments represent the collective view of Indians. I am an Indian too and when I read your article, I had a feeling that some Indians might not like the last part but I had no idea they would rip this issue to shreds. 

You were trying to explain how the global community has come together. The Indian readers construed it as diminishing their achievement. 

There is a polite way of giving your point of view in a comment. Unfortunately, everybody on the internet is a &quot;badass&quot;. People who would never have the courage to say something in conversation use the most rude and vulgar language they can on the web. 
Dont let that stop you from blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Hey author, don&#8217;t think that these hostile comments represent the collective view of Indians. I am an Indian too and when I read your article, I had a feeling that some Indians might not like the last part but I had no idea they would rip this issue to shreds. </p>
<p>You were trying to explain how the global community has come together. The Indian readers construed it as diminishing their achievement. </p>
<p>There is a polite way of giving your point of view in a comment. Unfortunately, everybody on the internet is a &#8220;badass&#8221;. People who would never have the courage to say something in conversation use the most rude and vulgar language they can on the web.<br />
Dont let that stop you from blogging.</p>
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		<title>By: siddhanth</title>
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		<dc:creator>siddhanth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venkat

You have quoted from the ESA to defend a somewhat paternalistic comment from Adam.

To be fair, shouldn&#039;t you also have quoted the numerous comments from ISRO about how almost everything was done indigenously.

However, I would agree with you that we could be magnanimous and appreciate his desire for scientific cooperation that cuts across national borders.

However, having suffered so many sanctions and been subjected to so many technology denial regimes, and in particular, having been brutally colonized and pauperized by Britain, it would behoove those seeking cooperation with India to be a bit more honest and appreciative of the magnitude of India&#039;s own heroic efforts in this regard. 

As others have noted, India could have well undertaken this mission without the cooperation of others. That it chose to cooperate with other agencies demonstrates India&#039;s desire for genuine international cooperation - not hand-holding or paternalistic indulgence (as what might be incorrectly) inferred from the article. 

Nevertheless, I do sense a certain positive spirit in Adam&#039;s article, and having made our point, I&#039;d now vote to give him a break - and here is to greater future cooperation - but with a spirit of mutual recognition and respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venkat</p>
<p>You have quoted from the ESA to defend a somewhat paternalistic comment from Adam.</p>
<p>To be fair, shouldn&#8217;t you also have quoted the numerous comments from ISRO about how almost everything was done indigenously.</p>
<p>However, I would agree with you that we could be magnanimous and appreciate his desire for scientific cooperation that cuts across national borders.</p>
<p>However, having suffered so many sanctions and been subjected to so many technology denial regimes, and in particular, having been brutally colonized and pauperized by Britain, it would behoove those seeking cooperation with India to be a bit more honest and appreciative of the magnitude of India&#8217;s own heroic efforts in this regard. </p>
<p>As others have noted, India could have well undertaken this mission without the cooperation of others. That it chose to cooperate with other agencies demonstrates India&#8217;s desire for genuine international cooperation &#8211; not hand-holding or paternalistic indulgence (as what might be incorrectly) inferred from the article. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I do sense a certain positive spirit in Adam&#8217;s article, and having made our point, I&#8217;d now vote to give him a break &#8211; and here is to greater future cooperation &#8211; but with a spirit of mutual recognition and respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Daffy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daffy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! Fact is ISRO has been under sanctions for long, to the extent of even being denied putting common microprocessors on their PSLV launch vehicles. Thus they made Vikram processors instead of using common Western ones. Even the Western instruments on board have been co-developed with ISRO if you check up. Indeed it is great as Adam mentions that there is transparency and cooperation and bears well for the future. But this is mainly from ISRO&#039;s large heartedness. ISRO is doing science and indeed i think Adam means to say encouraging cooperation in it. Doing this for free too. Congratulations ISRO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! Fact is ISRO has been under sanctions for long, to the extent of even being denied putting common microprocessors on their PSLV launch vehicles. Thus they made Vikram processors instead of using common Western ones. Even the Western instruments on board have been co-developed with ISRO if you check up. Indeed it is great as Adam mentions that there is transparency and cooperation and bears well for the future. But this is mainly from ISRO&#8217;s large heartedness. ISRO is doing science and indeed i think Adam means to say encouraging cooperation in it. Doing this for free too. Congratulations ISRO!</p>
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		<title>By: Chakravarty</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceline.org/2008/11/13/blog-hadhazy-phoenix-mars-lander-chandrayaan-satellite/comment-page-1/#comment-2427</link>
		<dc:creator>Chakravarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VENKAT is ADAM HADHAZY,

Venkat is Adam Hadhazy. 

ESA or any other country&#039;s space agency has not helped ISRO in anyway. ESA&#039;s website says that also. They have just loaded their instruments at a low cost offered on friendly terms by India as a magnanimous gesture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VENKAT is ADAM HADHAZY,</p>
<p>Venkat is Adam Hadhazy. </p>
<p>ESA or any other country&#8217;s space agency has not helped ISRO in anyway. ESA&#8217;s website says that also. They have just loaded their instruments at a low cost offered on friendly terms by India as a magnanimous gesture.</p>
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		<title>By: Kala</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceline.org/2008/11/13/blog-hadhazy-phoenix-mars-lander-chandrayaan-satellite/comment-page-1/#comment-2426</link>
		<dc:creator>Kala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or maybe Venkat meekly submitting to such taunts could also make someone into a traitor! Do u work for Adam? Or maybe you are Adam writing under the name of Venkat!!!!

I will appreciate an article that is written in good humour and with the correct facts. Especially a scientific one at that. But to tolerate an article that is intended to poke fun at certain communities or people is just not on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or maybe Venkat meekly submitting to such taunts could also make someone into a traitor! Do u work for Adam? Or maybe you are Adam writing under the name of Venkat!!!!</p>
<p>I will appreciate an article that is written in good humour and with the correct facts. Especially a scientific one at that. But to tolerate an article that is intended to poke fun at certain communities or people is just not on!</p>
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		<title>By: Kala</title>
		<link>http://www.scienceline.org/2008/11/13/blog-hadhazy-phoenix-mars-lander-chandrayaan-satellite/comment-page-1/#comment-2425</link>
		<dc:creator>Kala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being humble venkat doesnt mean turning a blind eye to other people&#039;s subtle insults. And when you talk of recent success. lets not forget that Indian culture and success goes back to many thousands of years. Probably one of the oldest if not the oldest civilization in the world! Being righteous and standing upto someone&#039;s insults can certainly not be termed as arrogance! However, meekly submitting to their taunts and jokes can be called as cowardice....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being humble venkat doesnt mean turning a blind eye to other people&#8217;s subtle insults. And when you talk of recent success. lets not forget that Indian culture and success goes back to many thousands of years. Probably one of the oldest if not the oldest civilization in the world! Being righteous and standing upto someone&#8217;s insults can certainly not be termed as arrogance! However, meekly submitting to their taunts and jokes can be called as cowardice&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kala,

  We Indians have only recently been getting the great successess we yearned and rightly strived for.

   Lets be humble and magnanimous in our success as we have always been in our history and culture. Lets not get carried away and become arrogant - which history has shown always led to the eventual downfall of mighty civilizations.

 God Bless India, God Bless the world whose integral part we are.

Take care.
Venkat</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kala,</p>
<p>  We Indians have only recently been getting the great successess we yearned and rightly strived for.</p>
<p>   Lets be humble and magnanimous in our success as we have always been in our history and culture. Lets not get carried away and become arrogant &#8211; which history has shown always led to the eventual downfall of mighty civilizations.</p>
<p> God Bless India, God Bless the world whose integral part we are.</p>
<p>Take care.<br />
Venkat</p>
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